The Christian Noob (n00b)

born & raised Catholic, now going to a Presbyterian church & still learning

Sunday series: 11/16/2008 (#9)

Where: Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church at 11:15am

Bible readings:

“1 After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.” (Genesis 15:1-5 KJV)

“22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. 23 And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone. 24 But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. 25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. 26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. 27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. 28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. 29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? 32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. 33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.” (Matthew 14:22-33 KJV)

Comments then:

  1. Bicentennial Sunday
  2. came on time for a change;
  3. feeling relaxed though worried,
    feeling the celebration atmosphere of 200 years of FAPC’s service,
    while sleepy and with sinus pressure causing a light headache;
  4. It is said that people with disabled children find refuge in religion. As a Christian raised Catholic, I don’t understand or care for saints. I’ve always been more of a Protestant [in this issue]. I feel comfortable in this environment. I remain as a Catholic in label lately ’cause I don’t want to betray my [maternal] grandmother and what she taught me about religion and God. Nonetheless I’ve found refuge [with] these people.
  5. At about 11:55am, I’m practically falling asleep. I’m passing out.
  6. At some point in my life, I wondered about the right religion, the right church. The labels Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant (this temple) and others are mere roads to the same Lord Father, same Son and the same Holy Spirit.
  7. The on-going corruption in the Catholic Church has made me doubtful of this road where the pastors sometimes are crooked and can’t lead the flock of sheep.

New Members Class (#1 part #2):

  1. Approach to God: summon for prayer and praise (thanksgiving, God’s mercy, God’s forgiveness)
    • Organ Prelude,
    • Call to Worship,
    • Hymn,
    • Call to Confession,
    • Prayer of Confession,
    • Assurance of Pardon,
    • Sung Response,
    • Passing of the Peace;
  2. Proclamation of the Word (including sermon)
    • Anthem,
    • Announcements,
    • Prayer for Illumination,
    • Old Testament Scripture Lesson,
    • New Testament Scripture Lesson,
    • Sermon;
  3. Response to the Word
  4. Presbyterians are writers of creeds and of confessions — proclamations of faith.
  5. Commonly used in the Catholic Church [as if only one in existence]
    • The Nicene Creed,
    • The Apostles’ Creed;
  6. The Theological Declaration of Barmen (1934)

    ” Jesus Christ, as he attested for us in Holy Scripture, is the one Word of God which we have to hear and which we have to trust and obey in life and in death.” (8.11-8.12) [underlined during class, full text]

    • Written [by Karl Barth] while the Nazis were taking over the Christian Church in German [that began in 1932], which painted Hitler as a form of God — no other God,
    • Proclamation rejecting Hitler and his doctrines, which were part of the German Christian Church where the Nazis were given priesthood;
  7. interpretation of the scripture (sermon) — base of service;
  8. The Sacraments– sacred signs and symbols that point beyond itself
    1. Baptism,
    2. Lord’s Supper (Communion) — first Sunday of the month;
  9. The Sacraments are part of the Response of the Word (part 3 of the service).
  10. Infant Baptism
    1. sealing in redemption,
    2. affirmation of being children of God,
    3. marking us for service;
  11. What do you believe about the Lord, Christ and the Church?
    Read this essay in a year and write another one (dated) [referred to as confession of faith].
  12. Our religious beliefs change through out our lives reflecting what’s going on in our lives and around us (society, history, etc).
  13. The Presbyterian Church comes from doctrines from Luther, Calvin and John Knox.
  14. 14:32 (after class)
    • I perhaps see this as spiritual cleansing, but I still think too much about [sinning and being wicked].

Comments now:

  • I don’t know how I managed to write little essays as comments during worship service.
  • My ideas continue to be disorganized, but I guess you get the point.

One response to “Sunday series: 11/16/2008 (#9)

  1. Rina Mosquera 04/06/2013 at 00:20:07

    Cuando comencé a ir al centro de Sai Baba yo también me sentía con remordimiento, me sentía como que estaba traicionando a Dios. A medida que iba conociendo un poquito mas de las enseñanzas de Sai Baba se me fue quitando ese sentimiento de culpa. El Dr. Rodriguez cuando regreso de la India después de haber conocido a Sai Baba decía, “yo no se si Sai Baba es Dios, pero lo que si se, es que si existieran mas personas como Sai Baba, este mundo seria mejor”. Entendí que todos estos seres maravillosos (Maestros) que han venido a la tierra, vinieron con una misión, en el momento preciso, cuando cada era los necesitaba. Un día estábamos en un retiro de Sai Baba, tenían en una especie de altar un retrato de Sai Baba, pero nadie se acercaba allí a hacer alguna reverencia, pregunte porque no? y me dijeron que, porque esa imagen se la ponía porque en nuestro plano todavía necesitamos de las formas, pero que el que entendía que Dios no esta en esa imagen sino en el interior de Sai baba y en el interior de cada uno de nosotros, no necesitaba acercarse al altar a hacer ninguna reverencia, que lo único que tenemos que hacer es cumplir o vivir con los lineamientos de Sai baba (amor, verdad, rectitud y no violencia).

    Ahora que estamos en la Escuela de autorealizacion (AEA), también me gusta la fusión de las enseñanzas católicas (misas, servicios), con las enseñanza orientales (yoga y meditación). El padre Cesar Davila en alguno de sus libros dice que en la religión católica no se sentía realizado, que sentía que algo le hacia falta, hasta que llego a […] un maestro indu y le gusto sus enseñanzas y sus practicas y fue así como se involucro en el yoga y la meditación, según él.
    Yoga sirve para preparar el cuerpo para hacer una buena meditación y que solo en el silencio que se logra en la meditación, se puede lograr el encuentro con Dios, no es un encuentro físico, es un encuentro espiritual, es la paz interna que te invade.

    No se sienta culpable de pertenecer actualmente a la iglesia Presbiteriana, no sienta que ha traicionado a su abuela materna por haber cambiado de religión, todas las religiones conducen al mismo Dios, todas las religiones son buenas.

    La religión católica tampoco es mala, han sido malos algunos curas, que han hecho quedar mal a la religión, pero por esos individuos no podemos pensar que todo es malo.

    Lo que si me he dado cuenta es que en la religión catolice hay menos exigencia, o menos control, o no se transmite bien el mensaje, la cosa es que la mayoría de los católicos (me incluyo) no hemos leído la biblia, no sabemos analizar los textos bíblicos, los textos sagrados, no predicamos la palabra de Dios, como lo hacen los evangélicos, no hacemos servicios, en eso falla la iglesia católica, quizás pienso que si hubiera continuado en la religión católica no sabría tanto de la Biblia como veo que sabe ahora que esta en la iglesia Presbiteriana, si en esta agrupación se siente bien, continúe en ella, no es pecado, no hay traición de ninguna clase.

    Continúe en la iglesia Presbiteriana, siga aprendiendo, que el conocimiento da la fe.

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