The Christian Noob (n00b)

born & raised Catholic, now going to a Presbyterian church & still learning

Sunday series: 04/24/2011 (#134)

Resurrection of Christ by Noel Coypel, 1700Where: Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church at 9:30 & 11am (double duty)

Bible reading:

“1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. 2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. 3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. 4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. 5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. 6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, 7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. 8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.” (John 20:1-8 KJV)

Comments then:

  1. Resurrection of the Lord Easter Sunday
  2. feedback from the goose-neck [mics] by the font [during Easter Proclamation]
  3. floor [mics] off-axis to each other
  4. Jesus defeated death. We might have not have enough faith. [regarding Sermon Jesus the Victor]
  5. “Unjustly condemned for blasphemy and sedition” — for saying he was God [from A Brief Statement of Faith of PC(USA)]
  6. “giving his life for the sins of the world” & “delivering us from death to life eternal” [underlined from A Brief Statement of Faith of PC(USA)]
  7. 9:30-10:40am & 11:00-12:25pm

Comments now:

  1. death = sin, paying for sins for eternity
  2. The Church still rejects and/or ignores the possibility that Mary Magdelene was
    • a dear person to Jesus who needed to tend to Jesus’ body as soon as possible (first day of the week, Sunday),
    • an important or most important apostle (not Peter)
    • or worse yet his wife as in the legend and/or secret truth of the Holy Grail being Sarah — the daughter between Jesus and Mary Magdelene.

      Maria Magdalene icon“The silence of the New Testament gospels has given rise to a cacophony of conflicting voices. Some see in these writings a plot to cover up the truth about Jesus. Others see the silence of the gospels as proof that Jesus could not have been married. It does seem rather fantastic to imagine that if Jesus had been married to Miriam of Magdala, whom we know as Mary Magdalene, or to any other woman for that matter, this fact would have been completely omitted from all of the earliest records of Jesus’ life.”

      “A Jesus bloodline is a hypothetical sequence of lineal descendants of the historical Jesus and Mary Magdalene, or some other woman, usually portrayed as his wife or a hierodule. Differing and contradictory versions of a Jesus bloodline hypothesis have been proposed in numerous books by authors such as Louis Martin (1886), Donovan Joyce (1973), Andreas Faber-Kaiser (1977), Barbara Thiering (1992), Margaret Starbird (1993), and various websites. Dan Brown’s novel The Da Vinci Code used the premise for its plotline. The 2007 documentary The Lost Tomb of Jesus proposed that evidence existed to show that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and that their son was named Judah, based upon inscriptions found on ossuaries discovered in Jerusalem in 1980. Biblical scholar and author James Tabor has recently affirmed his belief in a married Jesus, while Karen King announced the discovery of text in a Coptic papyrus fragment, alleged to be a translation of a lost 2nd century Gospel, in which Jesus is made to refer to ‘my wife’.
      According to the vast majority of professional historians and scholars from related fields, there is no historical, biblical, apocryphal, archaeological, genealogical, or genetic evidence which supports this hypothesis. Hypothetical Jesus bloodlines should not be confused with the biblical genealogy of Jesus or the historical relatives of Jesus and their descendants, who are known as the Desposyni.”

      “The 13th-century Cistercian monk and chronicler Peter of Vaux de Cernay claimed it was part of Catharist belief that the earthly Jesus Christ had a relationship with Mary Magdalene, described as his concubine. Quote: ‘Further, in their secret meetings they said that the Christ who was born in the earthly and visible Bethlehem and crucified at Jerusalem was ‘evil’, and that Mary Magdalene was his concubine — and that she was the woman taken in adultery who is referred to in the Scriptures; the ‘good’ Christ, they said, neither ate nor drank nor assumed the true flesh and was never in this world, except spiritually in the body of Paul. I have used the term ‘the earthly and visible Bethlehem’ because the heretics believed there is a different and invisible earth in which — according to some of them — the ‘good’ Christ was born and crucified’.
      A document, possibly written by Ermengaud of Béziers, undated and anonymous and attached to his Treatise against Heretics, makes a similar statement.

      ‘Also they [the Cathars] teach in their secret meetings that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Christ. She was the Samaritan woman to whom He said, ‘Call thy husband’. She was the woman taken into adultery, whom Christ set free lest the Jews stone her, and she was with Him in three places, in the temple, at the well, and in the garden. After the Resurrection, He appeared first to her.'”

      “In apocryphal texts, she is portrayed as a visionary and leader of the early movement whom Jesus loved more than he loved the other disciples. Several Gnostic gospels, such as the Gospel of Mary, written in the early 2nd century, see Mary as the special disciple of Jesus who has a deeper understanding of his teachings and is asked to impart this to the other disciples.
      Several Gnostic writings, usually dated to 2nd and 3rd centuries, paint a drastically different picture of Mary Magdalene from that of the canonical Gospels.
      In Gnostic writings Mary Magdalene is seen as one of the most important of Jesus’ disciples whom he loved more than the others. The Gnostic Gospel of Philip names Mary Magdalene as Jesus’ companion. Gnostic writings describe tensions and jealousy between Mary Magdalene and other disciples, especially Peter.”

  3. Just remember that history’s always written by the winners of a war or those who want to tell their side of the story (bias). As such, Sarah might be just a legend. The protection of the Holy Grail by the Knights Templar might also be wrong. Of course, all these heretic legends might be true proving once again that the male-dominated Church had not interest in a female apostle and even portrayed Mary Magdelene as a prostitute to taint her reputation.
  4. I wonder how FAPC and PC(USA) feel about the legend of Sarah.
  5. Then again, this is our religion — a collection of legends, truths, corrupted texts, missing texts, mistranslations and so much more.

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