The Christian Noob (n00b)

born & raised Catholic, now going to a Presbyterian church & still learning

rants: a life without religion, what a wasteful life

I often wonder how a person could live without God.

I’m not asking which faith system is correct or not.

In other words, how could a person live without a faith system — without God?

  • If you answer, do so politely. I’m not looking for a fight of any kind with any atheist group and/or individual. I’m just curious.

16 responses to “rants: a life without religion, what a wasteful life

  1. Boxing Pythagoras 09/18/2014 at 08:43:16

    I’m not sure I understand. What is it about a “faith system” which you find so necessary to the experience of life?

    • Frank Olvera (aka "The Christian Noob") 09/18/2014 at 09:56:24

      I can’t believe that we exist out of a freak accident, that all of a sudden life started all of a sudden (abiogenesis). Where is the logic in the latter? Does this mean that life still originates from nothing or non-living matter?

      • Boxing Pythagoras 09/18/2014 at 10:04:11

        I should think that the abiogenesis hypothesis would, at least, imply that there remains a potential for living matter to arise from the interactions of non-living matter.

        It is certainly a fact that all known living organisms are composed of non-living matter. Why do you find it incredulous that non-living matter could be combined in such a fashion as to produce life?

      • Frank Olvera (aka "The Christian Noob") 09/18/2014 at 14:10:04

        In theory, elements could be combined together to create whatever we want the same way fusion of two hydrogen (H) molecules creates one of helium (He), but we haven’t been able to synthesize life from carbon (C), hydrogen (H), oxygen (O) and nitrogen (N) as if they were bricks of Lego.

      • Boxing Pythagoras 09/18/2014 at 14:18:54

        The fact that we have not been able to reconstruct abiogenetic processes in the laboratory does not imply that abiogenetic processes are therefore impossible.

        And I’m still not certain I understand why you would find a faith system to be necessary to the experience of life.

  2. regularfellow 09/18/2014 at 11:34:21

    What is it about not having faith that makes life a waste?

    • Frank Olvera (aka "The Christian Noob") 09/18/2014 at 14:11:18

      It feels so empty, as not having anything to live for. Why don’t you find it see it this way?

      • regularfellow 09/18/2014 at 14:20:54

        Dogs and cats do not have faith that God exists. Everything they know and believe comes from their life experience. Yet they live life to the fullest. Why shouldn’t humans?

      • Frank Olvera (aka "The Christian Noob") 09/18/2014 at 15:46:13

        The difference between these animals (cats & dogs) and humans is the ability to rationalize. You can’t expect an irrational animal to have any form of belief system — not limited to religion. Irrational animals only live to satisfy their needs — food and reproduction, perhaps even shelter. Our ability to rationalize gives us much more including understanding (science, math, etc) and wisdom (how to employ our understanding).

      • regularfellow 09/18/2014 at 15:55:57

        Let’s do a thought experiment. For argument’s sake… let’s assume that you were shown such overwhelming evidence that God doesn’t exist that you could no longer have faith in God’s existence. Would you become so depressed and give up on life? If so, why? If you would, just because you feel that way does not mean that everyone else must share your same feelings. That is what is so great about humanity… that we can all feel differently about things.

        Also consider that from the atheist perspective, they weren’t alive for billions of years before they were born, and it didn’t bother them one bit. So why should the thought of them not living after they die bother them?

      • Frank Olvera (aka "The Christian Noob") 09/21/2014 at 19:45:27

        I’ve thinking how to respond. I know that religion’s a big part of my psyche. I’d definitely be empty is God’s proven not to exist. Now returning the question to you, how would you feel if the existence of God is proven without a doubt by science?

      • regularfellow 09/21/2014 at 23:21:52

        If God were proven by science, it would be an amazing discovery for humankind. It would be exciting, like a scientific discovery should be. I imagine like many others, I would feel a strong desire to learn more about God.

      • Frank Olvera (aka "The Christian Noob") 09/22/2014 at 07:46:08

        something my friend Carlos sent me…

        1. 100 Reasons Why Evolution Is STUPID! – Kent Hovind Christian Creationist

        2. Atheist Scientist Becomes Christian After Researching Evidence – Hugh Ross, PhD

  3. Rina Mosquera 09/19/2014 at 00:45:50

    Los Ateos pueden vivir sin fe. Aunque dicen que el ateísmo no existe, porque en algo han de creer. Dios no existe, se le dio el nombre de Dios a la energia divina. Fue el hombre que invento las religiones para manipular a la gente a través del miedo. Jesús es el Maestro de Maestros. Así como él, han pasado por este mundo varios Maestros Como Buda, San German, etc. Como en este plano necesitamos de la forma y del nombre le voy a seguir llamando Dios, Dios no castiga ni premia, es solo un observador, Son las leyes que rigen el Universo las que no perdonas, si las trasgredes, tienes que sufrir las consecuencias, como es arriba es abajo, toda acción tiene su reacción, la vida que nos toca vivir depende de lo que hicimos en el pasado, pero el futuro si lo podemos cambiar, depende de lo que hagamos ahora, Leer los Siete pilares de Metafisica.

  4. Jessica Carmona 09/20/2014 at 12:20:06

    I am in agreement with Frank. Humans are distinct from cats, dogs,and other animals. We are not just animals, or a combination of cells and organisms that equal a human being. We have spirit. Humans have a heart,and a soul. We are connected to and created by a “divine” source. The God of all creation. It doesn’t matter how you title it. Some humans are in touch with “spirit”, others not. But it is there whether you acknowledge it or not. A life without some form of faith system seems pointless. There should be a reason for living. A purpose. It seems so pointless to just go about living day to day, eating, procreating the species, without purpose. It seems… Base. Animalistic. Humans have needs other than food and shelter and procreation. We have need for fellowship (friendship), support and kindness during difficult times, laughter and humor, discipline and structure, the need to create art, music and literature, healthy competition (sports)….the biological makeup of a human is just one aspect. There is a spiritual component to a human as well.

    • regularfellow 09/21/2014 at 00:34:50

      Jessica, hypothetically, if it were revealed to you that God did not exist… would you just give up on life? Would you curse at the universe in disgust? If the universe does not have a creator, the universe does not care whether or not you find a purpose or meaning to life. Just because Frank claims that he would feel empty, does not mean others must share his feelings. Also, just because something makes you feel good… doesn’t make it true.

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